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Post by franktalker on Oct 11, 2018 17:57:36 GMT -5
Hey everyone.
Just found out about this program less than a month ago so I'm collecting all documents needed to send prior to the December 2018 deadline.
My 3rd great-grandparents were from Luxembourg prior to moving to Canada and were still alive in 1900, and I'm getting my documents ready to send.
Does anyone know of specific examples where applicants have been formally turned down for an ancestry certificate on various grounds, either missing documents, naturalisation prior to 1900, or a second or third generation female having married a foreigner, etc.? Does the ministry contact applicants for supporting documentation (with a 30 or 90-day window) or do they simply decline the application by mail (making it impossible to re-apply as the application will only be looked at in 2019)?
I've got a few minor hiccups that have me worried, though the officials appeared to be quite accommodating in the past. Gen 2 ancestor has no birth record that exists as she was born prior to 1869 in Ontario when records started. I do, however have her certified death record showing date of birth and parental information.
Gen 3 ancestor has a death record on order, but the birth record wouldn't be certified as it's pre-1918 and no longer held by the Ontario registrar.
So am I safe to send just the following records: Gen 1 birth (Lux), marriage (Lux), death in Canada after 1900 Gen 2 death (certified with parental info) Gen 3 death (certified with parental info) Gen 4 birth (certified with parental info) Gen 5 birth (certified with parental info) Gen 6 (me) birth (with parental info)
and provide other documents (ie. marriage, statement that missing birth record doesn't exist) only if requested at a later date? |
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Post by twoj on Oct 12, 2018 9:41:58 GMT -5
Hi, a fellow Canadian eh?
I haven't heard of any refusals in all the posts i've seen, i haven't even seen people having issues with missing documents, however that isn't conclusive so don't take this as fact.
If you can submit your application by the end of year then i don't think there should be a problem since if you need other supporting information it would be to add to the original application and not be a new application.
I would imagine the ministry will contact you if they require other information, again i haven't seen a request to provide additional information. Other than that you don't get anything until they send you the certificate d'aieul. People usually contact them and hopefully you get an email saying they are working on a certain month.
There have been quite a few people who seem to have issues with being unable to get some documents mainly because in many places official record keeping didn't exist at the time. So it seems most people provide any type of supporting information, census records, etc. I would send any documents that can support the claim if you can't get the required document. For the certified document it really just has to be a stamp saying that it is provided by an authority to send these documents, or at least to have someone certify that it is an exact copy of an original document.
Hope that answers your questions. Good luck
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Post by franktalker on Oct 15, 2018 21:21:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the response, fellow Canuck!
I’m thinking I’ll be ok. Found a 1901 census page that confirms that the brother of my Gen 2 ancestor naturalized, but that my Gen 1 ancestor didn’t (still filed an ATIP with IRCC to get a written confirmation that no naturalization record exists in case I get asked. In any event, Canada (or Great Britain whose laws governed immigration until 1914) never required an immigrant to relinquish their previous nationality.
The census also confirms my Gen 2 ancestor with no birth record (pre-Confederation) was born in Ontario, so she was Canadian « jus soli » and therefore didn’t actually take her husband’s citizenship through marriage, which might have invalidated her Lux « jus sanguinis » right, if it even came to that. I think that rule applies more to France and Belgium anyways due to their laws at the time.
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Post by ccolo on Dec 13, 2018 8:24:20 GMT -5
Hi there fellow Canookians 😃
I i’m very thankful to have found this forum and you have asked a question which I was wondering about myself.
I too had some serious challenges with birth and marriage certificates,
My grandfather was born in the US however he never had a birth certificate and moved to Canada when he was one year old. Apparently he was never naturalized in Canada because when he was 65 and went to claim his pension (he had been paying Canadian taxes his entire life), he was denied his pension and was was told he didn’t exist for three or four years until he was able to get enough people who had known him for 50+ years to vouch for his existence.(He had a drivers license, a social insurance number, medical plan number, many business licenses over the years, property deeds, etc etc, but was still told he didn’t exist).
I was not able to find a birth or marriage certificate for him and there were many spelling errors on his death certificate...and also his mother’s place of birth was written as Germany in some places and Luxembourg in other places. From what I have read the mixup with place of origin is quite common however I am concerned about the spelling errors.
I am keeping my fingers crossed as well.
To me it seems like I have a very solid paper trail with census records and land purchase records and the marriage certificate of his youngest sibling which denotes the names of their parents with the correct spelling, but I am a tad anxious nonetheless.
Have you received any news?
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Post by franktalker on Dec 24, 2018 23:51:47 GMT -5
Hi there fellow Canookians 😃 I i’m very thankful to have found this forum and you have asked a question which I was wondering about myself. I too had some serious challenges with birth and marriage certificates, My grandfather was born in the US however he never had a birth certificate and moved to Canada when he was one year old. Apparently he was never naturalized in Canada because when he was 65 and went to claim his pension (he had been paying Canadian taxes his entire life), he was denied his pension and was was told he didn’t exist for three or four years until he was able to get enough people who had known him for 50+ years to vouch for his existence.(He had a drivers license, a social insurance number, medical plan number, many business licenses over the years, property deeds, etc etc, but was still told he didn’t exist). I was not able to find a birth or marriage certificate for him and there were many spelling errors on his death certificate...and also his mother’s place of birth was written as Germany in some places and Luxembourg in other places. From what I have read the mixup with place of origin is quite common however I am concerned about the spelling errors. I am keeping my fingers crossed as well. To me it seems like I have a very solid paper trail with census records and land purchase records and the marriage certificate of his youngest sibling which denotes the names of their parents with the correct spelling, but I am a tad anxious nonetheless. Have you received any news?
Hi Colo. Sorry I just noticed your message now. Did you end up applying? If not you have to send your application Wednesday 12/26 with the fastest shipping option to have it there by Monday 12/31.
What US state was your grandfather born in? Was civil registration mandatory there at the time? If not, get a letter from the relevant state indicating there is no birth record. I got such a letter for my gg-grandmother and I sent her marriage and death records, so I should be ok. I wouldn't worry about spelling. My ancestors dropped a couple of letters but you know it's them if you found the original birth records from Luxembourg. What year did he marry? It would determine whether the Ontario Registrar still has it, or whether it's been microfilmed in the Ontario archives.
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Post by duchyscott on Jan 2, 2019 2:16:47 GMT -5
Hey everyone.
Just found out about this program less than a month ago so I'm collecting all documents needed to send prior to the December 2018 deadline.
My 3rd great-grandparents were from Luxembourg prior to moving to Canada and were still alive in 1900, and I'm getting my documents ready to send.
Does anyone know of specific examples where applicants have been formally turned down for an ancestry certificate on various grounds, either missing documents, naturalisation prior to 1900, or a second or third generation female having married a foreigner, etc.? Does the ministry contact applicants for supporting documentation (with a 30 or 90-day window) or do they simply decline the application by mail (making it impossible to re-apply as the application will only be looked at in 2019)?
I've got a few minor hiccups that have me worried, though the officials appeared to be quite accommodating in the past. Gen 2 ancestor has no birth record that exists as she was born prior to 1869 in Ontario when records started. I do, however have her certified death record showing date of birth and parental information.
Gen 3 ancestor has a death record on order, but the birth record wouldn't be certified as it's pre-1918 and no longer held by the Ontario registrar.
So am I safe to send just the following records: Gen 1 birth (Lux), marriage (Lux), death in Canada after 1900 Gen 2 death (certified with parental info) Gen 3 death (certified with parental info) Gen 4 birth (certified with parental info) Gen 5 birth (certified with parental info) Gen 6 (me) birth (with parental info)
and provide other documents (ie. marriage, statement that missing birth record doesn't exist) only if requested at a later date? |
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Post by duchyscott on Jan 2, 2019 2:20:36 GMT -5
Another Canadian here!
I dropped my paperwork off in October, and now I’m hoping and parting for a certifcate. In your post you said “people usually contact them” - what’s the most successful way to get in touch to find out the status of my request?
Thanks!
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Post by twoj on Jan 2, 2019 14:04:53 GMT -5
You can either call them at the nationality hotline (i imagine it is still valid - i don't think they would disconnect it on Jan 1st!)
Nationality Infoline: Monday to Friday from 8.30-12.00 and 13.30-17.00
Tel. (+352) 247-88588
You could also try the Bierger Center
Tel. (+352) 4796-2200
Or the email;
Nationalite@mj.public.lu
Personally if you know that they received your paperwork there isn't anything to do but wait, unless it has been longer than normal, i'm guessing 7-8 months, there isn't much to tell but that you application is in the pile to be processed. I remember it being a long hard wait but when you receive the certificate d'aieul it is a huge relief, then you realize that now there is the phase 2 to complete. To keep your mind off the waiting i suggest you look into planning your trip there.
Good Luck!
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Post by ChaseLT on Jan 15, 2019 9:53:26 GMT -5
franktalker,
The percentage of rejected applications is really low. I saw it about a month ago. Numbers don't stick in my head. But, I believe it was around 2%.
I know one person was rejected because s/he was adopted and had wanted to claim citizenship through a biological parent.
On the whole, they seem to be flexible with missing documents, as long as the applicant has still been able to prove the connection to the Lux ancestor.
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Post by ccolo on Feb 7, 2019 16:54:55 GMT -5
Hi Colo. Sorry I just noticed your message now. Did you end up applying? If not you have to send your application Wednesday 12/26 with the fastest shipping option to have it there by Monday 12/31. [/div]
What US state was your grandfather born in? Was civil registration mandatory there at the time? If not, get a letter from the relevant state indicating there is no birth record. I got such a letter for my gg-grandmother and I sent her marriage and death records, so I should be ok. I wouldn't worry about spelling. My ancestors dropped a couple of letters but you know it's them if you found the original birth records from Luxembourg. What year did he marry? It would determine whether the Ontario Registrar still has it, or whether it's been microfilmed in the Ontario archives.
[/quote] Hi, I’m not sure which year they married. Estimating a range of 1930-1937. They were likely married in Alberta but then moved to BC by the time my mother was born in 1938. Keeping my fingers crossed! |
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