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Post by Trevor Eischen on Aug 28, 2014 12:15:20 GMT -5
A lot of people have been asking me this question: Can my relatives apply to dual-citizenship if I've already done the phase 1 work? Yes, I believe so, is the answer I will give. Here's an email I sent to Mr. Drebenstedt and one he sent back to me pertaining to the issue: Hi Mr. Drebenstedt, I have a general inquiry about citizenship reclamation under Article 29. I have gone through the process and am waiting to hear back after submitting my certificat and other papers in person at the Bierger Center in the capital. I was wondering what steps my relatives, specifically two sisters, must take to also apply. Can they use the documentation I have already filed with the government as long as they prove their relation to me? Or do they have to repeat the process as outlined in stage one of the reclamation process to prove they have eligible ancestors? Thank you for your help, which is always appreciated. Best regards. Trevor W. Eischen email: trevoreischen1714@gmail.com phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Dear Mr. Eischen, I hereby acknowledge receipt of your e-mail. In order to be able to issue a certificate for your sisters, I invite you to produce by post: · your sisters’ birth certificate; · a copy of their American passport. With my best regards, Xavier DREBENSTEDT Logo-Email MINISTÈRE DE LA JUSTICE Service de l'Indigénat L-2934 Luxembourg BUREAUX : Centre Administratif Pierre Werner, 13, rue Erasme, Luxembourg-Kirchberg Heures d’ouverture : du lundi au vendredi (exceptés les jours fériés) de 8.30 à 11.30 et de 14.30 à 16.00 heures INFOLINE «NATIONALITÉ» : À partir du Luxembourg : 8002 1000 (numéro gratuit) ; à partir de l'étranger : +352 247-88 5 88 L’infoline peut être jointe du lundi au vendredi de 8.30 à 12.00 et de 13.30 à 17.00 heures TÉLÉPHONES : (+352) 247-84 5 47 – Secrétariat (+352) 247-84 5 32 – Certificat de nationalité (Heimatschein) FAX : (+352) 26 20 27 59 – EMAIL : nationalite@mj.public.lu – WEB : www.mj.public.lu/nationalite |
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Post by fabioveber on Sept 4, 2014 20:20:15 GMT -5
Hi, It happened with my family. My cousin just sent to the Ministry of Justice his birth certificate and got his Certificat de nationité delivered in just one month. Why so fast? Well, I did the hard part. I had to get translated all birth/marriage and death certificates from me up to my second great grandfather who immigrated from Luxembourg to Brazil in 1862. I hope this experience helps other people to persue this citizenship. PS: About me, I am Fabio. I was born in Brazil, but discovered 4 years ago my Luxembourgish roots. Luckly, I did not have to reclaim my citizenship because I never lost it. Luckly, this right was transmitted from one generation to another by the male side. So I was born with posession of this citizenship. I did not not until I was 36! After struggling 2 years to get all documents my file was viewd by the Service de L'indigenat and they sent me my Certificat de Nationalité. I created a blog to help other people to search information and exchange experiences. So far it is written only in portuguese. You could check it if you like. There is a google translate button to translate into other languages. Like other luxembourgers I speak 3 languages. But differently from the europeans who speak german , french and luxembourgish, I can speak portuguese, spanish and english. Visit cidadanialuxemburguesa.blogspot.com |
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Post by William on Sept 6, 2014 4:40:25 GMT -5
Fabio,
Let me see if I understand you correctly.
My grandfather, as a child, immigrated to Canada with his parents, my great grandparents, in 1923. Therefore, since he was a Luxembourgish citizen, Luxembourgish nationality was transferred to my father and then to me?
Then why did the Ministry of Justice ask me to assemble all of my family documents for the Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois?
The Ministry of Justice is regarding me as having to re-claim my Luxembourgish nationality.
I think I understand what you're saying, I just don't think that's how it works. At least not now.
When did you receive your nationality?
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Post by fabioveber on Sept 8, 2014 5:41:26 GMT -5
Hi William,
When I read the 1998 Law, I realized that I could be a dual citizen. At first I thought that I would get a "Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois". But after submitting all documents the answer was that I never lost the Luxembourgish citizenship because all my previous parents transmitted the citizenship by the male side. If it had happened that my grandmother was luxemoburgish, she would't have transmitted to me.
That's why I was so lucky. Instead of receiving by mail the " Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois", I received the "Certificat de nationalité".
As far as I could read in the internet women started transmitting the citizenship after de 1970's.(not sure exactly the year). Before that only men did.
My guess is that one relative of yours could have lost the citizenship. There are several things that could make his/her lost the citizhenship. (i.e. Acquiring another citizenship, women marring a citizen of other country, etc).
But the 1998 law, allow anyone with luxembourgish ancestry, recover the nationality. The luxembourgish government plans to change again the law. This recovering today is allowed until December,31, 2018. They plan to remove this deadline, but could demand a test of spoken and written luxembourgish. This could make it harder to get the citizenship, because this is not a widely used language. According to the "The Wort" newspaper, a new proposal to the law should be presented until north hemisphere summer. But they did not make it, and did not explain why. Let's wait and see.
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Post by Flavia on Sept 8, 2014 8:21:36 GMT -5
Fábio, is there a 1998 law or did you mean the 2008 law?
I also descend from a male line of ancestry and tried to find this info. I didn't find much, except that the jus sanguini law has always existed, its not new from the 2008 law. Maybe a father passing his nationality to his son is automatic and has always been.
Hope the same happens to me, but i would be happy with any positive results.
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Post by William on Sept 9, 2014 1:00:27 GMT -5
Hi William, At first I thought that I would get a "Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois". But after submitting all documents the answer was that I never lost the Luxembourgish citizenship because all my previous parents transmitted the citizenship by the male side. Fabioveber, Thank you for your explanation. I understand what you are saying. My grandfather on my father's side was born in Luxembourg and immigrated to Canada with his father and mother (my great grandparents). My father was born in Canada. Therefore, I am curious as to why my application was not regarded in the same way that your application was. At any rate, I received the Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois but I am curious since my Luxembourgish lineage was traced directly through the male side - father > grandfather > great grandfather. |
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Post by fabioveber on Sept 9, 2014 5:23:49 GMT -5
Fábio, is there a 1998 law or did you mean the 2008 law? I also descend from a male line of ancestry and tried to find this info. I didn't find much, except that the jus sanguini law has always existed, its not new from the 2008 law. Maybe a father passing his nationality to his son is automatic and has always been. Hope the same happens to me, but i would be happy with any positive results. Flavia, I am sorry. I really meant 2008 law. I do hope you could get the citizenship as fast as I could. |
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Post by fabioveber on Sept 9, 2014 5:37:27 GMT -5
Hi William, At first I thought that I would get a "Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois". But after submitting all documents the answer was that I never lost the Luxembourgish citizenship because all my previous parents transmitted the citizenship by the male side. Fabioveber, Thank you for your explanation. I understand what you are saying. My grandfather on my father's side was born in Luxembourg and immigrated to Canada with his father and mother (my great grandparents). My father was born in Canada. Therefore, I am curious as to why my application was not regarded in the same way that your application was. At any rate, I received the Certificat relatif à l’aïeul luxembourgeois but I am curious since my Luxembourgish lineage was traced directly through the male side - father > grandfather > great grandfather. I agree. It is weird. In my case it was my second great grandfather who immigrated to Brazil in 1862.My lineage was: second great grandfahter (who was alive in 1900) -> great grandfather -> grandfather -> father -> me (I am 40 years now). It looks like your case is one generation less than mine. Maybe this could lead to another law in my case. As far as I could see, one should check the law that was under execution when the immigrant was alive. |
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Post by William on Sept 9, 2014 6:40:14 GMT -5
Fabio,
I had to demonstrate my Luxembourgish lineage through my great grandfather, actually, because my grandfather , while born in Luxembourg, was born in 1919. Therefore, I was asked to produce documentation for my great grandfather, also, who was born in 1886.
Well, thank you for sharing your experience.
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Post by Vassil on Nov 8, 2014 12:18:29 GMT -5
Hello I would like to ask.
I am Bulgarian and my sister lives, works, has apartment, and 5 years old child who was born in Luxembourg, and of course my sister has become Luxembourg citizen/with Luxembourg passport/.
My question is can I apply for Luxembourg passport based on my close relative/sister/ who lives there. If the answer is positive what steps I would need to make in order to receive it.
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Post by seblux on Nov 17, 2014 12:15:12 GMT -5
Hi Vassil, I doubt you can in your case as you have no ancestor who was Luxembourgish.
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