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Post by Jim G on Sept 23, 2014 12:58:33 GMT -5
Do you think I might be eligible? My great-grandmother (as an infant) and her parents immigrated from Luxembourg in 1870. I do not know when or if they ever naturalized here. My great grandmother died in 1918. Her parents died before 1900. The parents' own parents lived their entire lives in Luxembourg. All died before 1900, except perhaps one for whom I do not have a date of death. She would have been 96 in 1900 if she were still living. Immigrated to the US, I forgot to state. Also, she married a native born U.S. citizen in 1886. |
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Post by Flavia on Sept 24, 2014 18:24:30 GMT -5
Hi Jim!
For what i understood your greatgrandmother was born in Lux and died after 1.1.1900? If so, yes, you are elligible. The law says that you have to prove that your Lux ancestor had the citizenship on 1.1.1900. You could write Mr. Xavier Drebenstedt to be sure, but I as far as I know, if she didn't lose the citiZenship before 1.1.1900, you are elligible.
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Post by seblux on Sept 25, 2014 9:38:04 GMT -5
Hi,
It's my understanding as well, you should be able to claim Lux Citizenship as your Grandmother was alive in 1.1.1900.
The hard part is to prove she did not renounced to it, but Xavier should be able to provide guidance as to what document you should be providing.
Good luck!
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Post by Flavia on Sept 25, 2014 9:39:28 GMT -5
I just now realized that she married before 1.1.1900 and maybe she lost her citizenship because of that. But I guess only Xavier will be able to clear that for you. Good luck!
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Post by seblux on Sept 25, 2014 10:17:44 GMT -5
How do you know she married before 1.1.1900?
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Post by Flavia on Sept 26, 2014 13:19:40 GMT -5
I guess I missed a "if".. If she married before 1.1.1900...
However, it is possible, as women at that time used to get married in their 20s.
But I guess even so, he is elligible.
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Post by Jim G on Sept 26, 2014 16:14:30 GMT -5
I do not know when or if anyone naturalized in the US.
She married a native born US citizen of German ancestry in 1886, so perhaps she lost it then.
Thank you for the thoughts.
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Post by Flavia on Sept 28, 2014 9:44:50 GMT -5
Jim, I would suggest you to write to the Ministry of Justice. I am pretty sure you are elligible.
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Post by Jim G on Sept 29, 2014 11:34:05 GMT -5
Thank you all for your assistance. I have sent an e-mail to Mr. Drebenstedt and we will see.
My great grandmother, Anna Marie Bierscheid, and her older sister, Katherine Bierscheid, married two brothers from a neighboring farm, Mathew and Simon Kraus, and the two couples had over 30 children between them. They have many descendants living today, mostly in Kansas. Perhaps I am not the pioneer for this particular line, and if I am, perhaps my work will assist some cousins with similar interests.
Thanks again.
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Post by Hollerich on Sept 29, 2014 19:19:18 GMT -5
Me, female, born in Brazil in 1977 I was born in 1977 too  Hi Seblux, Do you understand Flavia's and Fabio's cases and why they by-passed phase 1 and automatically received the certificat nationalitie? Also, is this common to completely by-pass phase one and receive nationality as a jus sanguinis right? I've tried to understand how their cases are eligible for automatic citizenship, however, I can't make any sense of it. Thanks. |
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Post by Flavia on Sept 30, 2014 16:38:02 GMT -5
What I understood is that the whole process, phase one and phase two, is for citizenship recovery. And me and Fabio never lost the citizenship. This is what I read at Fabios blog (in portuguese) but before I had the answer, I tried to look this up in the 2008 law and didn't find anything about it. But I can write Xavier asking why. I may understand it better after some cousins of mine try. They are sons of a woman who married before 1975 and if our theory makes sense she lost her citizenship an thus my cousins will go through phase one.
Or maybe they think Brazilians are too poor to have to travel twice to Lux to get the citizenship.. Hehehe like they have pitty on us (joking).
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Post by Hollerich on Oct 1, 2014 0:35:40 GMT -5
What I understood is that the whole process, phase one and phase two, is for citizenship recovery. And me and Fabio never lost the citizenship. Flavia, Thank you. You wrote: Me and Fabio never lost the citizenship. That's very interesting. I would like to know if my father and I have never lost the citizenship. My great grandfather and grandfather were from Luxembourg and so, according to your and Fabio's cases, citizenship should have never been lost if it is automatically translated from father to son based on jus sanguinis law. |
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Post by Jim G on Oct 1, 2014 8:21:03 GMT -5
I received a return e-mail from Christian Paler at the Ministry of Justice saying:
"You are theoretically eligible for Luxembourg nationality on the basis of article 29 of the law of 23 October 2008 on Luxembourg nationality via your ancestor Anna Marie BIERSCHEID."
My inquiry included Anna's 1886 marriage so it appears that was not disqualifying.
I have located Anna's birth record on luxroots.com , so it appears that all that is left is gathering the necessary paperwork.
Thanks for you assistance.
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Post by seblux on Oct 1, 2014 11:52:53 GMT -5
I received a return e-mail from Christian Paler at the Ministry of Justice saying: "You are theoretically eligible for Luxembourg nationality on the basis of article 29 of the law of 23 October 2008 on Luxembourg nationality via your ancestor Anna Marie BIERSCHEID." My inquiry included Anna's 1886 marriage so it appears that was not disqualifying. I have located Anna's birth record on luxroots.com , so it appears that all that is left is gathering the necessary paperwork. Thanks for you assistance. Welcome to the neo-luxembourgers exclusive club! |
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Post by Flavia on Oct 15, 2014 12:58:11 GMT -5
Hi ReLux! I took the same process of everyone else and never thought I could skip phase one. This was something that I had read at Fabio's Blog (http://cidadanialuxemburguesa.blogspot.com in Portuguese) but I thought it wouldnt happen with me for many reasons (my ancestor who immigrated to Brazil died before 1.1.1900 and he was born before the Grand-duchy was formed. He was born in 1808. My whole process was not done directly to the Ministry of Justice in Luxembourg as everyone else. I contacted the Consulate of Luxembourg in Brazil and they asked me for the documents, charged me a whole lot of money and sent the documentos do Lux. The answer came 3 months after they sent the papers (but 6 months after I handed the documents to the consulate) saying that I was going to receive the certificat de nationalité directly. The only thing I had to prove besides the birth, marriage and death certificate of all the ancestor line, was a negative certificate of naturalization. I had to prove that my Luxembourgish ancestor did not ask for the Brazilian naturalization before dying, so he died as a Luxembourg. I guess your case is just like mine... the citizenship has been passed directly from father to son until you. If your GG grandpa did not ask to be naturalized in America, you sure are a Luxembourgish citizen.
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