Flavia
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Post by Flavia on Aug 29, 2014 13:46:57 GMT -5
I am days from finally knowing if I am elligible to get the citizenship or not. The thing is that my ancestor was born in Luxembourg in 1808 and moved to Brazil in 1828. He died before 1.1.1900. I asked the Ministery of Justice in Luxembourg and they answered me that the ancestor should be alive in 1.1.1900, but if he hadnt lost his citizenship before dying, he transmitted his citizenship by jus sanguinis to his son, who then was alive. My ancestor didnt lose his citizenship, so I believe it was OK. I wrote about 5 or 6 emails to be sure if I was elligible, mainly because I read something about Luxembourg becoming Luxembourg only in 1815 and then people who were born before 1815 were not considered Luxembourgish. On the same law, it says that the quality of being a Luxembourgish belonged to every inhabitant living there in 1815. So I had these two date issues that I wanted to clear before spending time and money (here in Brazil, the Luxembourgish consulate charged me about 700 euros to autenticate all the documents before sending them to Luxembourg). But I am still not 100% sure, because they never said "yes or no". If I dont get it, I will be so disappointed because I worked really hard traveling to small cities in Brazil looking through ancient church registers to find the birth and marriage certificates. I tried to find other people who had been through this and I found only Trevor, but Trevor's ancestor was alive on 1.1.1900 and born after 1815.
On my last email to Mr. Drebensted, he replied to me that my file was currently undergoing treatment and he would inform me about the results in a few days. This was about 10 days ago. And, as I can't stand myself with such a high degree of anxiety, I would like to know if anyone else has a similar situation.
Villmols merci
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seblux
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Post by seblux on Aug 30, 2014 4:29:57 GMT -5
Hi Flavia,
I had more or less the same situation, my ancestor, born 1843, moved to France married a French citizen and had a child in France. This child was born in 1875 and died in 1914. He got married in 1898. On his marriage certificate I could see that my ancestor was alive then (as he signed the act) but never managed to find his death certificate!
However, his son was Luxembourgish by jus sanguinis too, so what I did - based on the Citizenship Office recommendation - is asked the French National Archive to send me an official letter that attested that both ancestors never asked for the French citizenship.
Based on this document, my request was accepted and I am now a Luxembourg citizen.
Schéinen Dag and good luck!
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Flavia
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Post by Flavia on Sept 1, 2014 9:28:36 GMT -5
Thank you, seblux.
It seems to me that the jus sanguinis law is a right passed from father to son automatically, unless the person in line asks for another citizenship. Interesting. I also know a Brazilian man who got his Luxembourgish dual citizenship and the Ministery of Justice skipped the Luxembourgish ancestor certificate step. As he descended from a men only line, he was told that he had never lost his citizenship. Although I havent found this piece of info in any Luxembourgish law, I understand that the jus sanguinis law is "stronger" (?) and that a father always passes his citizenship forward to his son. However, when a woman in line marries a foreigner, she loses her blood citizenship (this until 1975).
Well, I feel more confident now that someone else has gotten his dual citizenship even though his/her ancestor died before 1.1.1900. I just need to understand now the part of the law that says that a Luxembourgish was considered Luxembourgish being born after 1815, then I will be 100% sure. hehehe
Thank you once again.
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seblux
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Post by seblux on Sept 7, 2014 8:38:47 GMT -5
Hi Flavia,
Coming back to "the Luxembourgish consulate charged me about 700 euros" I am really surprised. It sounds way too expensive to me. You shouldn't have pay this much.
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Flavia
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Post by Flavia on Sept 8, 2014 8:15:04 GMT -5
Dont tell me! The whole process cost me about 2,000 euros, with all the trips, translations, etc. The Consulate in Brazil charges to autenticate each document plus 70 euros to ship them. Just later I learned that I didn't need to use the Consulate in brazil. I could have mailed the documents straight to Lux.  Living and learning... |
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Flavia
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Post by Flavia on Sept 10, 2014 18:18:28 GMT -5
just got the reply from the lux consulate in Brazil saying that my citizenship request was accepted by the Ministry of Justice in Lux. They are charging me other 450 euros for the stamps (  ). If only I knew I wuld have saved more than 1,000 euros submitting the documents straight to Lux. But I am happy anyhow! |
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seblux
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Post by seblux on Sept 11, 2014 0:14:27 GMT -5
Hi Flavia,
There is something wrong in your story! You shouldn't be paying this much money. I strongly advise you get in touch with the Service de l'Indigenat right here in Luxembourg and detail the fees you have been requested to pay by the Lux consulate in Brasil you have been in touch with.
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Post by Hollerich on Sept 11, 2014 6:35:31 GMT -5
just got the reply from the lux consulate in Brazil saying that my citizenship request was accepted by the Ministry of Justice in Lux. They are charging me other 450 euros for the stamps ( ). If only I knew I wuld have saved more than 1,000 euros submitting the documents straight to Lux. But I am happy anyhow! Hi Flavia, Are you referring to the results of Phase 1 or Phase 2? "my citizenship request was accepted" I assume means that you were successful in Phase 2. Also, did you not travel to Luxembourg and submit your documents in person to initiate Phase 2? I'm trying to understand what you have written and my understanding is that you gave all of your Phase 1 documents to the Luxembourg Embassy for Phase 2 and they submitted them to the Ministry of Justice on your behalf. Therefore, you did not travel to Luxembourg to submit your documents for Phase 2. Is that correct? |
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Flavia
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Post by Flavia on Sept 11, 2014 9:07:45 GMT -5
Hi Hollerich!
My reply from the Luxembourg Consulate in São Paulo/Brazil was that I already have the citizenhip. They are sending me the certificate of nationality and not the certificate of a luxembourgish ancestor. I already have the citizenship.
My case was the following:
Luxembourgish ancestor - male - born in 1808
His son was born in Brazil
His son, my grandfather, born in Brazil
My father, born in Brazil (he is still alive and got his citizenship, too)
Me, female, born in Brazil in 1977
My son, born in 2005.
My father, me, my sister and my son got the citizenship without having to go to Lux to solicit it. We were lucky to skip phase one.
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Post by Hollerich on Sept 11, 2014 10:35:07 GMT -5
Flavia,
Congratulations! You must be very relieved.
My case is as follows:
Great Grandfather - Luxembourg
Grandfather - Luxembourg
Father - Canada
Me - Canada
Should I and my father also receive the nationality directly as you have?
Thank you for sharing your experience.
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Flavia
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Post by Flavia on Sept 11, 2014 11:56:30 GMT -5
Hollerich, I believe so. At least this is what happened to me and Fabio, another Brazilian. Your great grandfather passed his nationality to your grandfather who passed to your father. If they hadnt lost the citizenship in the middle of the way, I believe you will skip phase one.
Good luck.
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Post by Hollerich on Sept 11, 2014 12:56:59 GMT -5
Hollerich, I believe so. At least this is what happened to me and Fabio, another Brazilian. Your great grandfather passed his nationality to your grandfather who passed to your father. If they hadnt lost the citizenship in the middle of the way, I believe you will skip phase one. Good luck. Flavia, Thank you for you explanation. That's interesting and I will look into it. |
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seblux
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Post by seblux on Sept 12, 2014 10:37:26 GMT -5
Me, female, born in Brazil in 1977 I was born in 1977 too  |
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Post by JimG on Sept 22, 2014 15:50:43 GMT -5
Do you think I might be eligible?
My great-grandmother (as an infant) and her parents immigrated from Luxembourg in 1870. I do not know when or if they ever naturalized here. My great grandmother died in 1918. Her parents died before 1900.
The parents' own parents lived their entire lives in Luxembourg. All died before 1900, except perhaps one for whom I do not have a date of death. She would have been 96 in 1900 if she were still living.
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Post by Jim G on Sept 22, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
Do you think I might be eligible? My great-grandmother (as an infant) and her parents immigrated from Luxembourg in 1870. I do not know when or if they ever naturalized here. My great grandmother died in 1918. Her parents died before 1900. The parents' own parents lived their entire lives in Luxembourg. All died before 1900, except perhaps one for whom I do not have a date of death. She would have been 96 in 1900 if she were still living. Immigrated to the US, I forgot to state. |
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). If only I knew I wuld have saved more than 1,000 euros submitting the documents straight to Lux. But I am happy anyhow!
