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Post by mdmar3571 on May 7, 2016 22:53:01 GMT -5
In obtaining the birth/death/marriage certificates- does it have to be every relative or just for the linking members to Luxembourg.? For example, the linking is my mother, her father, his mother(my great grandmother), and her mother(my great great grandmother? Do I have to obtain them for my father, my moms mom(grandma), etc? As these members are not luxembourgish- just by marriage- is the marriage certificates connecting them enough? Any detail on this is appreciated - and would save me a lot of money to not have to buy all of these additional certificates.
Also in sending in the letter to obtain the lineage certificate- is there an application form needed to be included? Or is it just the letter? Does it need to say anything specific? If so what did others say in their letter? Does this have to be translated into French?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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Post by twoj on May 10, 2016 13:28:50 GMT -5
It is a very good question which maybe someone else has a better answer than I. When I sent off my application I included birth/marriage/death for pretty much everyone. However I was playing it very safe that since time is running out for submission it was faster collecting the certificates then for them to return the submission because they wanted another certificate. However essentially I think they want to see the birth certificate of your ancestor from Luxembourg whom was alive in 1900 and then the certificates to you. If I follow your lineage then you don't need the birth certificate for your father but you would need your parents marriage since presumably you carry your father's surname and not your mothers.
So i'm guessing you need;
your birth (and marriage if applicable since nationality would pass to your children) certificate : this assumes you have your paternal surname
birth and marriage of your mother : showing your mothers maiden surname -> Lux_Married2 and your paternal surname
birth certificate of your grandfather : showing the Lux surname Lux_Married2
birth and marriage of your great-grandmother : Showing surname Birth->Lux_Married1 and Marriage->Lux_Married2
birth, marriage and death certificate of your great-great-grandmother: This shows maiden Lux (Lux_Maid) surname and married surname -> Lux_Married1
Your GG-GM death certificate is necessary in order to show that she was alive after 1900, although in principal if she was married after 1900 then you might not need the death certificate , but as I said before, you might not want to play around with not getting the certificate to save a few bucks. In the grand scheme you need to pay for a trip over there so saving $20-40 isn't a big deal at this point.
Now you might want to call the nationality hotline and confirm with them that these are indeed the certificates you will need, but I think this will already give you a good start in getting the necessary certificates.
A lot of people seem to include a small family tree to indicate the connections, I know DreamingSarah created a small chart here;
luxcitizenship.freeforums.net/post/721/thread
Also if you want to contact me at doublejcream@gmail.com I can pass you the introduction letter that I got from Trevor, it is a template for the cover letter to send with your application, it is already in French but has placeholders for the information you need to enter.
Hopefully this will get you started!
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Post by Jen on May 14, 2016 10:27:27 GMT -5
I am new to this process as well, so my analysis is based entirely on internet research. I look at it from the perspective of including the documents that connect my relation back to my Lux ancestor. Of course, the safest approach would be to provide the birth/death/marriage certificate for every relative between you and your Lux relative. I think marriage certificates are most important when there are women in the line back to the Lux ancestor. It connects the names (assuming the children and woman take the father/husband's surname.) I have gathered what I think are the right documents for my application: - Grandfather (born in Luxembourg): birth, death certificates - Father: birth, marriage certificates - My birth, marriage certificates (because I'm requesting for my children as well) The Luxembourg agency handling these applications has a hotline. I plan to call them to confirm I have everything before mailing in the application. From what I've read on the various forums, they are very helpful and the best resource for getting specific answers to your individual situation.  The Luxembourg Embassy in San Francisco also has some good (English!) documents: LINK. The site also reinforces my point about the hotline, 'The Luxembourg Consulate General in San Francisco can only give you general information on the recovery process. You will need to call the above Info Line in order to determine your individual recovery case.'Cheers, Jen |
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Post by mdmar3571 on May 16, 2016 10:37:48 GMT -5
Thanks so much! This helps a lot. I heard from a couple other people in my search- that just linking member certificates as mentioned is required- and do not have to be translated. However, I do have to provided a certified copy of us census to show that my great great grandmother was not naturalized into the us.
I will email you for the letter- this would help me out a ton - and I greatly appreciate the offer!
Best,
Matt
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Post by Jen on Jun 11, 2016 19:29:04 GMT -5
Hey Matt,
I ended up emailing Xavier at the Ministry of Justice - turns out I needed a few different documents.
- Grandfather (born in Luxembourg); birth, marriage & death certificate
- Father; birth and marriage certificate
- Me; birth certificate and copy of passport
I was on the right track for connecting the dots back to my Grandfather, the only death certificate I needed was his.
FYI,
Jen
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Post by bt008 on Aug 8, 2016 20:59:17 GMT -5
Also in sending in the letter to obtain the lineage certificate- is there an application form needed to be included? Or is it just the letter? Does it need to say anything specific? If so what did others say in their letter? Does this have to be translated into French? Thanks in advance for your help! For the cover letter, I said that I'm applying for a certificate relatif under article 29, and provided a brief explanation for a missing marriage certificate. I provided a copy of and a URL to a newspaper archive announcing their marriage instead. If theres anything missing or discrepancies in your certs that you feel need explanation the cover letter may be a good place to do it. Otherwise I'm sure it doesn't matter what it says as long as its clear youre applying under article 29. All phase 1 docs were sent in english, besides my lux ancestor birth cert obviously |
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